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    Dave N – PIAA – TIM

    you have constantly moaned about this forum being used for personnel attacks yet here you are carrying them on ?

    people in glass houses etc etc

     

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    thanks Tim pity it’s not down to my coaching ha ha,

    on that point had an interesting chat with SBH coach? it went like this

    RP: your 5th(to Will Cockerall)

    SBH : no there 4th AFD Bteam don’t count

    RP: well there 5th in the race and AFD Bteam should count

    SBH: no no  it’s a club event and anyway that coach pinches all the athletes from everywhere

    RP: maybe the athletes come to him for success, and anyway isn’t your best athlete coached by him ?

    SBH: disappearing into the distance muttering beneath his breath

    my point is why aren’t the B teams allowed medals ? (as it was it didn’t matter because they ended up 4th)

     

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    didn’t see Michael Rimmer ?

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    PIAA

    I have copied and pasted it again as you seem a little confused, note the word PULLED , which means it has already taken place,

    “and I am sorry to say that if some coaches pulled the equivalent of a celeb saying “Do you know who I am” when asked to complete the coaching qualifications I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for that position.

     

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    how can I have miss read ? Fangio clearly says“and I am sorry to say that if some coaches PULLED the equivalent of a celeb saying “Do you know who I am” when asked to complete the coaching qualifications I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for that position.

    that surely states someone who has carried this out ?

    I on the other hand asked if there was a provision for someone to go straight into the coach course ? and was politely told no

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    let me get this straight then fangio

    PIAA stated that people (John Bicourt was mentioned) were up in arms over Liz Yelling getting fast tracked , when infact from your statement “and I am sorry to say that if some coaches pulled the equivalent of a celeb saying “Do you know who I am” when asked to complete the coaching qualifications I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for that position.  They were surely aware that the previous NGB went bankrupt due to their systems and controls.” it was you who was up in arms ?

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    Interesting that some people can get fast tracked and others can’t , must look into this more .

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    Tim

    a proven record would be where the athlete, has improved year on year whether they be a 40min 10k athlete or a 30min 10k athlete, but your advocating that there has to be this NGB approved coach and that they must go through the system to now saying that actually the athlete might not need a coach at all ?

    my original point was that, the system in progress needs looking at where as I pointed out people who could be an asset to NGB are being discouraged, because they don’t fit the mold

    yes it is subjective but to have that balanced view you must be adaptable and in my coaching enquiries to UKA they were certainly not that

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    Tim

    what would you class as a proven record then ?

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    PIAA

    who was fast tracked ?

    who was up in arms ?

    does a sports science degree mean your a good coach ?

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    Tim

    when UKA first introduced the coaching scheme, I am not saying coach education doesn’t work but fangio asked for a specific case,

    Alan Leiper international decathlete took his 1st coaching badge and was then informed he was not allowed to coach pole vault or anything to do with throwing objects ?

    I applied to go on a coaching course but was told I had to pass the assistant coach first, when I tried to explain that I was currently helping 2 U23s who had run under 1.50, a finalist in the U20 400 and had been involved in athletics since I was 12, the answer was ” so what you have to take assistant course”

    Tim

    of course everything is not or never going to be perfect, and yes we do need a governing body to oversee, but just those cases I have highlighted  could have been dealt with very differently, people encouraged to be involved instead of discouraged 

     

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    fangio

    Ron Stonehouse- was told unless he took coaching qualification he would not be recognised as a coach, this Man walked away from the sport, this was a man who coached :

    Roger Hackney

    Bernie Ford

    Christina Boxer

    Ruth Smeeth

    Eddie Herridge

    Phil Ledger

    all internationals

    to name but a few

    so your answer to that is ?

     

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    Gabbi to colin ” what’s your performance of the meeting” ? Not sure says colin ? What about merrit . Oh Gabbi you mean the one who cheats, come-on let’s stop praising the cheats

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    Spider_Man

    Surely even you must see that the slump has been halted and we are on the rise as a superpower again in the distance running world !

    look at the figures below 

    2013 to date …. (all men)

    * 5000m … 14 athletes sub 14 minutes (only 4 sub 13-30)
    * 10000m … only 4 athletes sub 29 minutes
    * Marathon … 6 athletes sub 2-20 (None sub 2-15)

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    PIAA

    apology accepted ;-), I agree with your view of building a support system whatever county its based in as long as it helps british athletes, i do however think the future for british athletics is to try and build the club structure and not the uni one , as you say we cannot afford the American way so it will always be a watered down version, where as if you take cycling, the club culture is thriving compared to the university cycling culture and this is where i would guess 90% of our talent is drawn from , how that is achieved is for higher powers than myself to decide

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