And did it end up having athlete input as was suggested and pretty much rejected at the AGM? Having worked with young people for quite some time the best way to find out what they want is to ask them in the right way. And by that I don’t mean the right way to get the answer you want…
We are close to our athletes and canvas their opinion.
The athletes in the Upper age want shorter travelling distances and to avoid exam periods. In our lower age team the athletes are keen to make the team and enjoy the activity and competing with their mates.
Asking the athletes about the range of events on offer for example, is meaningless. We have a few specialist steeplechasers who clearly want to retain their event. If you ask sprinters they will be indifferent on the subject, because it does not affect them.
Hi MarkE , your comprehensive reply ‘YES’ back to Hank looks positive . We are all sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the day you will provide a touch more info….? If you are not permitted to pass on what your ‘review team’ have come up with could you perhaps say when the report will be made public.?
The key issues identified were travel time, length of competition day and calendar. Most of the challenges relate to the Upper Age. One of the frustrations is that people want you to shorten the day but without losing any events, any rotation or other changes I.e. Change things without changing anything!
A further dynamic relates to Regional differences, so the issues above are different depending on which region you are in. We are working with colleagues in our region to develop our proposal. As you know and I am in the Midlands.
The proposals may well end up regionally specific and the plan is for them to be presented at the AGM in the autumn.
Thanks Mike for your update…much appreciated, I agree with your comment re different regions/different issues etc. Personally I am pleased our club are not competing in the UKYDL this year. Hope to return if/when improvements are made for both athlete and volunteers. Would just like to say another fantastic EYAL league (round 2) match on Sunday with 7 competing teams , 7 qualified timekeepers, nearly full field teams, with EDM….There are some significant differences to UKYDL, ie .no steeplechase, longest race 1500m…….only 4 x 100 relays ……however, Age Groups U13, U15 and u17 …who are all still kids at 14yr & 15yr, with parents keen they attend same match with their even younger siblings. Club Coaches and Club Team managers appeared to prefer it ….and despite EYAL having 3 age groups it was still shorter by 40mins than an UKYDL lower match.
And the best thing of all, in my opinion, is that the forthcoming Round 3 will again be against different teams….I bet those competing in the UKYDL will know by now who will win each division.
What are you doing for your under 20s though SLL? How are you supporting 110 hurdlers, chasers, and throwers of lighter weight implements?
I like the eyal. The fact that non scorers are permitted, makes this more of a development league than the ‘development league’, and still shorter by 40 mins.
Did you not use the famous green caravan?
SLL – your comments about U17’s still being kids at 14 and 15 is interesting. We have very few U17’s who are still 14 and most are either 15 or 16. I have asked a few of ours what they think of your comments and they much prefer to compete with their training squads who are predominantly U20 and in some cases U23. They actually do not want to compete in a team with athletes they consider to be ‘little kids’. The parents are indifferent on the subject. We get a lot of parents watching the YDLL matches but far fewer at the YDLU. The athletes are quite happy to spend the day with their mates.
It is little wonder that your EYAL matches take less time because you have parred down the events. Out of interest, what throws are on the programme and how many trials to U17’s get?
Mike, yes you are right….I meant 15yr or 16yr….some of ours still look and act like 12rs. if I remember correctly one of the reasons why EA/UKA dropped the u17rs in the restructure was to try and restrict u17 from ‘over competing in their leagues….Well with numerous ‘Opens’ and other leagues eg SAL….I would be interesting to know if the NGB have achieved their objective of reducing the chance of early ‘burn out’ for u17rs. I accept that Your athletes parents may be indifferent , but that’s not my experience when I have spoken to parents. Many have an excellent commitment to athletics but much prefer their support and attendance is at the same match as all their children. Accept that some 15yr olds have matured physically & emotionally, and have the athletic experience/ability to compete in an upper UKYDL……many haven’t..The EYAL timetable is the following link http://www.eyal.org.uk/USERIMAGES/EYAL%20Timetable%202016.pdf The u17rs and n/s get 3 throws hammer,discus,jav and shot..
You are assuming that parents have children spanning the age categories. This is sometimes the case but more likely not. We have a few of these and parents attend both matches or the older athletes jump onto the coach with their mates.
Noting that you are limiting throwers to 3 trials it would be uninviting for many good athletes. One of the key positives about the YDLU is that the top 3 U17 throwers get an additional 3 throws if they reach the required standard.
I have been at the County Champs day 1 today. Decent fields for U11/13/15 events but very little U17/20 and Senior involvement.
Certainly a debatable point Mike and your example is pertinent. Possibly another example of different requirements and expectation of regions/areas and size of club We find the EYAL is a true ‘development ‘league; even more so than UKYDL. Non scoring is encouraged and included in the shorter schedule and so more athletes try more than just their current preferred event. Throws is a good example with many experiencing 3 different field events. Those of a higher standard who tend to specialize in one throwing event have their addition throws in the SAL.