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    southlondonllad

    ISGAL :No, I am not able to go to the London consultation meeting this year. I have been to the last 3, and initially thought they were a good idea, …an opportunity to received ,consider and take action the concerns raised by attendees. But unfortunately I have concluded its just a tick-box exercise.

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    NotJohnBicourt

    Whistleblower. You’re last 3 posts are straight out of a playground. How old are you?

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    MarkE

    Whistle Blower, anyone coming on to this forum form outside the sport would conclude that athletics is on the brink of oblivion with all the negativity draining the life out of the sport. I am just trying to balance up the view.

    Frankly a bunch of negative London based bitter and twisted individuals, living in the last century. A lot of clubs are doing well, I am just giving examples of what we are doing when others bring up extreme examples to prove their negative viewpoint.

    What I said originally was that it takes a lot of collective hard work from within to make progress and we started that in 2012 and it is still all consuming. We still have a lot of issues to address but that will only happen if we keep looking forward.

    Moaning and whining and blaming everyone else gets you nowhere.

    #148132 Reply

    NotJohnBicourt

    MarkE there are none as blind as those that won’t see. No reasonable person on here believes you are harping about how successful you are. If they had he slightest bit of logic and reason they would be begging you to help them. But, that would mean the solution was in their hands, so blaming the NGB for everything would be much more difficult. Better to continue moaning I think. They will change everything for the better that way.

    ISGAL – great posts by the way.

    #148135 Reply

    dave reardon

    Thanks, but I’m afraid you’ve lost me a bit there. Are you really comparing our sport with business strategies and political philosophies? All I can see are the clubs (certainly in my area) struggling to fieled any senior teams. Also, looking at results, it seems an awful lot of juniors are competing in senior events. My kids are still at senior school and they are fortunate their sports teacher is a keen athlete himself and so there is lots of athletics and interschool going on, but when we have been to club meetings we are surprised at how few top juniors and seniors are competing. When I was a keen athletics fan (I was a very mediocre shot and discus thrower) back in the 80’s, meetings always seem to be vibrant and exciting and British athletes seem to be doing very well on Tv. But it doesn’t look the same now. Maybe it’s just my age and we grow out of the excitement we had when we were younger, but like I posted before about the wxc, it all seems a lot,lot less than it once was which is why I was curious about the ‘modern management techniques’ you mentioned as if that is the solution?

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    MarkE

    Dave, where are you based?

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    Zac
    
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    Frankly a bunch of negative London based bitter and twisted individuals, living in the last century. A lot of clubs are doing well, I am just giving examples of what we are doing when others bring up extreme examples to prove their negative viewpoint.
    
    What I said originally was that it takes a lot of collective hard work from within to make progress and we started that in 2012 and it is still all consuming. We still have a lot of issues to address but that will only happen if we keep looking forward.
    
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    On page 16 of the Foster Review the following was written:

    UK Athletics produced proposals for change in April last year and counterproposals and revisions flew around for several months. There has been acrimony and mistrust, and at least two instances of what we shall call ‘men behaving badly’. We have read the paperwork in detail and some of it is not edifying.

    I have not been able to discover who Sir Andrew Foster was talking about, but clearly we all repeating the same conflicts of years gone by.

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    Zac

    MarkE Wrote on March 29, 2015 at 12:59 pm #148131

      Frankly a bunch of negative London based bitter and twisted individuals, living in the last century. A lot of clubs are doing well, I am just giving examples of what we are doing when others bring up extreme examples to prove their negative viewpoint.

      What I said originally was that it takes a lot of collective hard work from within to make progress and we started that in 2012 and it is still all consuming. We still have a lot of issues to address but that will only happen if we keep looking forward.

      Moaning and whining and blaming everyone else gets you nowhere.

    On page 16 of the Foster Review the following was written:

    UK Athletics produced proposals for change in April last year and counterproposals and revisions flew around for several months. There has been acrimony and mistrust, and at least two instances of what we shall call ‘men behaving badly’. We have read the paperwork in detail and some of it is not edifying.

    I have not been able to discover who Sir Andrew Foster was talking about, but clearly we all repeating the same conflicts of years gone by.

    #148139 Reply

    I- should- get-a-life

    for me to have a successful club, I would need to define what success looks like. Do you look only, as many do, just at the end of a present year. I hope not. Therefore you need to create a set of targets. Where do we want to be in the short term (that is 3-5 years)? The longer term, say 10 years? This would involve having Key Performance Indicators to signpost the way. I for my part would utilise some degree of Critical Path Analysis. for me I suggest a wise chair and their committee would develop a SWOT analysis.

    Jargon? mumbo jumbo, an anathema to how one runs a volunteer organisation? I sincerely hope not. Life moves on, you do not want to stumble from one issue to another.

    The NGB (EA) has a board made up of a number of people, some from the volunteer arm (4 of them), others for their business expertise, one of whom has an Olympic medal as her bona fides in the sport.
    We have continued with a competition model constructed in the late 1960s’ by Tony Ward and others in terms of leagues. I know this is currently being looked at nationally. for good or ill gone are the days where a wide range of athletes will compete over 50 times a year. Life has many conflicting interests, schools demand more, many teachers were disenfranchised or marginalised by a former government emanating in the period many see as the glory days. More countries seek a share of the international pie, all throwing more resources at this aim. Why are the 2015 athletes not as fast as the 1985 versions, it is a question too large for or unsuited for this thread. The big meets see many athletes from African looking to secure their financial future, hunger is a great motivator, this may be true of other nationals.

    #148141 Reply

    PIAA

    ISGAL,

    At top 3 level comparing the actual performances by tape and watch the current team are BETTER than 1985. With the reduced number of competitors I would expect some degradation lower down the order, but at the national team level the performers are better now.

    #148149 Reply

    I- should- get-a-life

    PIAA,
    it was not something I am debating, I am a cyclic nature type of guy and a member of ATFS. I added the results bit to avoid opening myself up to attack by others.

    #148150 Reply

    hank

    This topic is essentially about club development, or ‘what do clubs get for their affiliation fee’. The club that I work most closely with has certainly changed. This is down to the ngb. What they have done has been very effective.

    In a club setting, I work with older teens who are ready to specialise. For me, at this level and above, the sport is mess.what the ngb is doing here is ineffective.

    The growth in our sport is with young athlete sports hall competitions, and with park run/ sportive running events. As a club we are doing very well finantially, but we are struggling to field teams in the older age groups. Their will be exceptions, but this is a trend nationally I feel. Pof10 seems to suggest this.

    And then there is the NGB solved issue of development clubs like mine, losing our best athletes to clubs that actively recruit our talent. Other sports enforce rules to stop this, as they see the disastrous effect it has to the production line. Our NGBs are complicit.

    #148152 Reply
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    MarkE

    It is inevitable that some athletes in small clubs will move to bigger clubs for legitimate reasons I.e. Coaching support, competition opportunities, residency changes etc. What is unacceptable is where clubs go out of their way to poach athletes.

    A huge amount of effort goes into developing 8 and 9 year olds into good athletes at 14 to 16, so a bigger club coming along and incentivising them to move is a huge kick in the teeth.

    #148154 Reply

    hank

    There at 7 national league teams in our county. We are the first place they come looking.

    Do you pay for warm weather training Mark?

    #148157 Reply

    PIAA

    I’m in agreement Hank. These clubs that leech off the masses of hard work done by other clubs have caused way more damage to the grass roots in my opinion than any NGB action. If you want to discuss demotivating club volunteers these are the people who shoulder most blame as far as I am concerned.

    The issue is that the NGB would be accused of being overbearing if they tried to intervene directly. Especially by ABAC who seemingly are heavily influenced by such people. I think lottery funding and things like the warm weather trips funded through the NGB may well have had some impact at the very top, which is probably why they hate them. However in
    My opinion the way to solve it is to take away the motivation. Take away higher level competition that you have to wear the right best to participate in and we may get somewhere. Hence my abolition of the national leagues idea.

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